The very premise of Catholicism is based on the translation of latin vulgate which has been proven to be an incorrect translation by numerous scholars long before luther. With this knowledge why do catholics still worship in that system?Since The Latin Vulgate has been proven to be an incorrect translation of the greek text why do Catholics use?
First, I would like to address a couple of underlying presumptions or implications that I derived from your post.
1st - Quote - "The Latin Vulgate has been proven to be an incorrect translation of the greek text" I noticed that you didn't include any references to your sources for this claim. If you could revise your post with links that would be appreciated. I, for one, did some research on the internet and could find no "Proof that the Latin Vulgate is incorrect" other than the self admitted information that came from the Catholic church during the middle ages in an attempt to curb errors due to copying and preserve the purity of the original translation. However, I did find several references that indicated that the original KJV translation as well as some others drew heavily on the Latin Vulgate for reference. These versions had errors introduced that were due to the Latin Vulgate, not because the Vulgate in its self was in error, but because the translation from Latin to English was not quite the same as Greek to English. Some of the Idioms and Paraphrases turned out differently.
2nd - I just want to make sure no one makes the mistake that I hear from time to time when they take the name "Latin Vulgate" and assume that it's called the Vulgate because it is a vulgar in the "lacking in cultivation, perception, or taste" sense. The word Vulgate in the "Latin Vulgate" takes the vernacular meaning "using a language or dialect native to a region or country rather than a literary, cultured, or foreign language" (definitions from Meriam-Webster.com).
To clarify the inaccuracies of the Latin Vulgate as recognized by the Catholic Church:
Early in the middle ages it was widely recognized in the Church that errors had crept into many of the copies of the Vulgate due to human copy errors and marginal comments, typographical errors, and errors in corrections.
At around AD500 Cassiodorus made an attempt to restore the Vulgate to its original purity. Alcuin also oversaw a corrected version that was presented to Charlemagne in AD 801. This effort continued by many others right up into the mid 15th Century even to the advent of the printing press. Most of the efforts were seen to be fruitless, but resulted in a fairly accurate record of corrections and noted inconsistencies (the correctoria).
The Mazarin edition gained notoriety as the Gutenberg Bible but was also included in the list of copies with errors. Erasmus published an edition that was more inline with the Greek and Hebrew in AD 1516 and other corrected versions followed.
In 1528 the first Critical edition was published which formed the Sistine and Clementine editions. In 1555 Stephanus issued the final critical edition of the Vulgate which was the first complete Bible with chapter and verse divisions. It was later used as the standard Biblical reference for 16th century Reformed theology.
Finally, it should be noted that the original Latin Vulgate was commissioned by Pope Damasus I in 382 finishing early in the 5th century AD. It should also be noted that the canon that was commisioned for the Vulgate by Pope Damasus I was later ratified at the council of Hippo AD 393 (presided over by St. Augustine) and the council of Carhage AD 397 (this is where the cannonical contents of the Current Bible were established by the Catholic church. Don't take my word for it, look it up). The Vulgate is usually credited to have been the first translation of the Old Testament into Latin directly from the Hebrew Tanakh, rather than the Greek Septuagint.
Lastly, I wanted to add my own comment to the "Pope rather than Christ" claim. If you can't take the time to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church or just ask a Catholic what we believe, then you really shouldn't spread such blatent attacks based on lies. I believe that is in direct opposition to "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". WE (Catholics) do NOT revere, follow, obey the Pope OVER Jesus Christ. The Pope is a slave and servant of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is his appointed vicor on earth. I'm sure you have no problem listening to the advice or teaching of your church preacher or elder do you? While you probably believe in the Bible alone authority, you still take advice from others. So you listen to a mere man for theological guidance... When it comes to faith and morals, we listen to the Pope and the college of Bishops with him. Does that mean that we should or do follow the Pope blindly like robots? of course not. The Bible instructs us otherwise and so does the church. We are all encouraged to read the Bible as "Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ" but we ar cautioned against personal interpretations. Basically, if I ever come across something that I don't understand or doesn't seem to jive with Catholic teachings, I tend to go more by St. Augustine's wisdom and humility: I assume that I'm in error first, not the Church. That being the case, I do research until I can resolve my misunderstandings. To date, I have never had a problem reconciling my questions with the Church teachings. In no way would I ever assume that I (in my limited theological study) have a better Biblical understanding than 2000 years of thoelogical study based on minds like St. Justin Martyer, St. Jerome, St. Augustine, St. Ignatious and St. Thomas Aquinas (just to name a few). I'm not that arrogant.
Did I miss anything.
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Addition: The current approved Catholic Bible NAB is a translation based on the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. This translation has been rated as one of the most accurate translations currently available (reference included below).
If you be truthful, every translation of the Bible, even the venerable King James version is full of mistranslations, yet thousands of Protestants continue to use it. Why single out the Vulgate? You seem to live in an earlier, more religiously-prejudiced period so here's an update: the Catholic Church has long moved on from the Vulgate version of the Bible and to-date, it has been using other more updated versions. The reason for this is not to repudiate the past: the Vulgate, despite its flaws tried to be as literal as possible to the original texts, so much so that it sounds quaint. God is the Lord of History and as such He speaks to peoples of all ages and times. The Church, realizing this, encourages new translations of the bible so that the original message of God would be better appreciated by everyone. Today, some Catholics still use bibles that have been based on the Vulgate but many others use more recent translations.
Welcome to the 21st century.Since The Latin Vulgate has been proven to be an incorrect translation of the greek text why do Catholics use?
VULGATE - The Latin translation of the Bible, chiefly the work of St. Jerome, and commissioned by Pope Damasus I in 382. In time it became the standard in the Church, but by the sixteenth century several hundred editions were in print, with numerous variants. The Council of Trent declared that the Vulgate "is to be held authentic in public readings, disputations, sermons and exposition" and ordered its careful revision. This decree means that the Vulgate is the official biblical text of the Church. More than once revised, it was the Scripture text used by the First and Second Vatican Councils. (Etym. Latin vulgata [editio], "the popular [edition]"; from vulgatus, common, popular; from vulgare, to make commonly known; from vulgus, common people.)
SEPTUAGINT - The most important translation of the Hebrew Old Testament into Greek. As the story goes, the Egyptian king, Ptolemy II (309-246 B.C.), sought a copy of Jewish law for his library. Eleazer, the Jewish high priest, sent six scholars from each of the Twelve Tribes to Alexandria to work on the translation. Because of the number of the scholars involved, their joint co-operative production was called the Septuagint, abbreviated LXX. The early Christians used the Septuagint as a basis for their belief in Jesus as the Messiah. As time went on, it steadily became a Christian possession and Jews lost interest in it. (Etym. Latin septuaginta, seventy.)Since The Latin Vulgate has been proven to be an incorrect translation of the greek text why do Catholics use?
Current Catholic translations are made from the Greek and Hebrew
We worship "in the system" because it is founded by, guided by and headed by Jesus Christ Himself
Basic Catholic/Orthodox doctrine(including those rejected by most Protestant sects and groups) long antedates Jerome's Vugate translation ,which was not the first Latin translation and was meant for the "vulgar" speaking Latins and not the elites.
JEROME' MISTRANTRANSLATED FROM THE GREEK TESTAMENT INTO WHAT HE CALLD in the 4th Centruy,THE LATIN VULGATE BIBLE.
PROOF THAT THE CHRISTIAN GREEK SEPTUAGINT IS THE FIRST
BIBLE THAT IS CORRECT ( FROM JUDAISM( WITH FACTS
RIGHT FROM THE JUDIAIC AISH SITE.
Plato, and Aristotle (who was Alexander's tutor for two years). Their love of wisdom, science, art, and architecture set them apart from other cultures the Jews had interacted with. The Greek language was considered so beautiful that the Talmud called it in some ways the most beautiful of all languages and the Rabbis decreed that a Torah scroll could even be written in Greek.
THE JEWS TRANSLATED THE ( JEWISH BIBLE INTO GREEK UNDER King Ptolemy II (c. 250 BCE) INTHO SEPTUAGINT GREEK BIBLE ( WHICH MEANS 70... IN GREEK
The Greeks had never met anyone like the Jews -- the world's only monotheistic nation who had a unique concept of a loving, infinite God who cares about creation and acts in history. The Jews had incredibly profound and complex legal and philosophical traditions. They had literacy rates and a social welfare infrastructure unheard of in the ancient world. So fascinated were the Greeks with the Jews that they became the first people to translate the Bible into another language when King Ptolemy II (c. 250 BCE) forced 70 Rabbis to translate the Hebrew Bible into Greek (known as the Septuagint, which means "70" in Greek).
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/48929692.htmla
The FIrst Greek New Testament was.
The New Testament (Greek: Καιν? Διαθ?κη, Kainē Diathēkē) is the name given to the second major division of the Christian Bible, the first such division being the much longer Old Testament. The New Testament is sometimes called the Greek New Testament or Greek Scriptures, or the New Covenant.
GREEK ORIGINAL BIBLE IN WAS WRITTEN IN AD AND LATER. WE HHAVE COPIES AND ORIGINALS IN LONDON MUSEUMS, ISREAEL MUSEUMS STILL
The original texts were written by various authors after c. AD 45, in Koine Greek, the lingua franca of the eastern part of the Roman Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testame…
THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN IN GREEK
Greek First NEW TESTAMENT WRITTEN IN GREEK
http://www.ntgreek.org/answers/nt_writte…
THE ORIGINAL GREEK NEW TESTAMENT WAS IN GREEK
THE GREEK SEPTUAGINT
http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/
THE GREEK NEW TESTAMENT ( IN GREEK/ ENGLISH TRANSLATION.
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/
http://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-tex…
JEROME VERSION OF THE BIBLE? ( WHEN JEROME IN 347 HIMSELF%26gt; ( SO HOW WAS THE BIBLE? IN LATIN?
IT WAS IN THE 4th CENTURY FROM THE GREEK ( JEROME DIED IN 420 AD
Born: 347
Birthplace: Pannonia (now Slovenia)
Died: 420
Best Known As: The medieval scholar behind the Latin translation of the Bible
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http://www.answers.com/topic/st-jerome
All finds of the Bible are found ( OT . In Hebrew/ Greek and Aramaic
NO FIND OF OLDEN BIBLE OF THE GREEK BIBLE OF 45 AD IN LATIN, ( NOT ONE LATIN OLD FIND IS FOUND
BEFORE A HEBREW , GREEK OR ARAMAIC ( WHICH WAS AFTER THE GREEK
Dead Sea Scroll are in Hebrew/ Greek/ Aramaic/ on show Now in Toronto ROM museum will Dec 2010
The Bible is for All.
There is no JEW OR GREEK AMONG YOU....... NEITHER FEMALE OF MALE... WE ARE ONE IN CHRIST
GALATIANS 3.28
In Bible
The Romans Catholics like to believe they were First and translate the bible To what they Believe ( and Proffer) that is why.
The Bible Stated ..
Do not Add or Take away from the Word of God
God's Word is eternal
"The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"...having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever...." 1 Peter 1:23
"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle [a tiny mark in the original spelling of a word] will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." Matthew 5:18
"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail." Luke 16:17
Do not alter (delete or add to) God's Word
"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2
"...if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ." Galatians 1:9-10
"For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you may well put up with it!" 2 Corinthians 11:4 [I.e. don't tolerate heresy]
"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deuteronomy 12:32
http://www.crossroad.to/HisWord/verses/t…
What do you have against catholicism? What are you, Protestant? nonon you cannot pray once and be saved buddy it doesnt work that way.
Given that it's been proven multiple times that every version of the bible contains mistranslations, why're you singling out Catholicism here? Hmm...
There is no singular Greek text, and each is a questionable translation of the Hebrew original......... So what is your point??
The Vulgate is also a translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, so not all of it is based on the Greek.
Oh? That's the "very premise of Catholicism?"
I'm certain devoted Catholics all over the world are waiting with baited breath for you to tell them what they really believe.
or not
Do you know of ANY Biblical translation that's 100% accurate? And accurate according to what?
so... almost all religion is about tradition
truth is not important...
a point of order here, the new testament was written in it's entirety in ancient greek
"Serving God In FLA ".......Well said !
Humm why did the King James Translators use it to translate their Bible
what else do the demons whisper to you?
Who proved it and what was their proof?
Edit: We do not believe that the Pope has authority above that of Christ!
Catholics believe the pope has divine authority, even above that of Christ. Does it really surprise you they have a bible that doesn't agree with the original translation?
